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Post by BS Digital Q on Apr 29, 2012 20:36:14 GMT -5
Figured I'd post a thread for the movie coming up. I get to see it for free at an exclusive showing before it even gets officially released here.
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Post by BS Digital Q on May 3, 2012 23:30:13 GMT -5
Just saw it. You guys need to see this movie. NOW.
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Post by icecap on May 4, 2012 5:18:42 GMT -5
I saw it as well, best movie of all time. I was glad they spread camera time evenly no character was favored which made it great compared to other marvel films. Great action and great comedy. Can't wait for the next one.
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Post by kerevon on May 5, 2012 1:16:17 GMT -5
Saw it. Squealed like a fangirl, cried manly tears (you know which part that was), and cheered when Banner turned into the Hulk in perhaps the most badass way possible. Fortunately, the rest of the theater did too, so nobody was giving me weird looks.
Moreover, the film was not only great entertainment but it was GOOD. It actively avoided several superhero cliches (right up until the last twenty minutes or so), spread camera time around the WHOLE time and used very believable character interaction to bring them together. It also helped immensely that we were familiar with most of these characters already to some degree, and that the villain was already established in another film (Loki, btw, pulled off the slightly pathetic thing again that made him just sympathetic enough to the audience that you actually care what he does).
Last but not least, "I'm always angry." Just that line, right there, got me, with many interesting implications about Banner's behavior and actions aboard the helicarrier.
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Post by BS Digital Q on May 6, 2012 11:51:24 GMT -5
Hellz yeah.
Oh by the way? 200 million dollar weekend gross, almost 40 mil more than the previous record holder (the last Harry Potter flick), and Sunday isn't even over yet!
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Post by icecap on May 7, 2012 19:39:12 GMT -5
I thought the scene with the hulk and loki was classic. Loki starts yelling at him then hulk stops him in mid sentence and beats the crap out of him lol. I also thought it was cool how Hulk, Capt, Iron Man, and Thor were all connected somehow. I think we should try to do that with are guardian characters.
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Post by kerevon on May 7, 2012 22:28:10 GMT -5
Aye.
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Post by BS Digital Q on May 8, 2012 21:14:37 GMT -5
Do you guys really understand what it means to have connections like that?
Because the connections between the Avengers were very loose, at best:
Iron Man: Father Howard Stark helped create Captain America.
The Hulk: Created by attempt to recreate the Super Soldier Serum that created Captain America.
Thor: Pretty much no connection to the Avengers aside from contact with SHIELD. Only by his brother's attack on Earth is he brought to the fray.
Captain America: Hulk result of attempt to recreate him. Archnemesis acquired Asgardian device.
Black Widow: SHIELD agent worked with Iron Man.
Hawkeye: Ready to kill Thor.
Thats about it. The true connecting strand between all of them is SHIELD, and even then that amounts to "Okay, we know of all these superpowered freaks and stuff, lets get them on our side."
So if we are to go down this path, I'd recommend avoiding "follow the leader" on this. I'm also working on an extensive "superhero genre" post to act as a guide for us on this and superhero stories in general.
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Post by kerevon on May 8, 2012 23:34:06 GMT -5
I think Icecap was well aware of how well-connected they were. Though their connections were truly only tangential, they're also fairly important parts of each character. Let me extrapolate on the connections below:
Iron Man: Father helped create Captain America. Apart from the whole "Saving the US" thing, the super-soldier project led to Howard becoming intimately familiar with the element Vibranium. This self-same element would later replace more dangerous parts of Tony's chest-magnet, saving his life. In short, Captain America both directly and indirectly saved Tony's existence, something Tony was aware of and would probably have led to him at least someday meeting Cap even without SHIELD.
The Hulk: Created by an attempt to recreate the Super-Soldier Serum. That's a pretty bloody important milestone in his life. This might not have directly led to meetings between Captain America and him, but the existence of one created the other.
It's true that the rest are barely related, save that the Tesseract kinda came from Asgard and was much of the basis for the creation of SHIELD (which was actually formed AFTER the tesseract's recovery, meaning SHIELD was at least partially created in order to learn how to harness it) meaning that Thor's world pretty much allowed for the creation of the Avengers.
Technology always leads to innovation and it's creation furthers itself rather than simply being ignorable. Our heroes can't all be one-off creations; if a technique creates one hero, we have to assume that either the same technique, an attempt to RECREATE that technique, or an attempt to improve said technique can result in more heroes/villains with similar powers and abilities (even if they're vastly different people). What's more, if we use "mutation as a way of gaining powers", I STRONGLY advise against giving said mutants abilities that are too dissimilar and/or give powers with no real-world (or previously established CAPES-verse) biological basis (such as Ice-Man or Cyclops). We CAN give them strange energy-based abilities, but we should at least attempt to give some semi-plausible explanations as to how that worked out. More important than biological sanity (these ARE superheroes after all) is the fact that 'mutants' or 'metas' or whatever we call them need to have fairly similar power-sets or a theme. Since our first 'mutant' hero has already been created as a 7-foot scaly lizard woman, any resulting mutants therefore ALSO have to be genetic chimeras of a sort (in the sense of being combined biological entities). No rock-mutants, unless the rock is really a type of bone or other biological protrusion.
I know this is kinda out there, but what Icecap was trying to say (I think) is that while we can have diverse heroes and abilities, these abilities have to make sense within the established confines of the universe and should not be contradictory.
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Post by BS Digital Q on May 9, 2012 6:37:08 GMT -5
Technology always leads to innovation and it's creation furthers itself rather than simply being ignorable. Our heroes can't all be one-off creations; if a technique creates one hero, we have to assume that either the same technique, an attempt to RECREATE that technique, or an attempt to improve said technique can result in more heroes/villains with similar powers and abilities (even if they're vastly different people). What's more, if we use "mutation as a way of gaining powers", I STRONGLY advise against giving said mutants abilities that are too dissimilar and/or give powers with no real-world (or previously established CAPES-verse) biological basis (such as Ice-Man or Cyclops). We CAN give them strange energy-based abilities, but we should at least attempt to give some semi-plausible explanations as to how that worked out. More important than biological sanity (these ARE superheroes after all) is the fact that 'mutants' or 'metas' or whatever we call them need to have fairly similar power-sets or a theme. Since our first 'mutant' hero has already been created as a 7-foot scaly lizard woman, any resulting mutants therefore ALSO have to be genetic chimeras of a sort (in the sense of being combined biological entities). No rock-mutants, unless the rock is really a type of bone or other biological protrusion. I know this is kinda out there, but what Icecap was trying to say (I think) is that while we can have diverse heroes and abilities, these abilities have to make sense within the established confines of the universe and should not be contradictory. See all that right there? I call complete and utter bullshit. If you guys seriously want to go there, I'm done with this. I WILL NOT abide by thinking like that.
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Post by icecap on May 9, 2012 9:24:41 GMT -5
We don't have to take that idea Digital I was just pitching ideas around. Lets wait for your genere post. I was just trying to create some guardian movement since for the most part we know who the characters are, now that fuzz is out.
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Post by BS Digital Q on May 9, 2012 9:29:51 GMT -5
Icecap, I have no problem with having the characters connected. My objection is simply to the understanding of what that means. Understand I have no true beef with you or what you are saying.
What DOES get me upset are the ideas Kerevon is presenting in lieu of you clarifying your position. There are downright horrific, and if any support is given to them I will quit this project right here and now.
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Post by icecap on May 9, 2012 10:30:15 GMT -5
I completely understand what you’re saying Digital, no need to get an angry I would never agree or support an idea that all 3 of us didn’t agree on. I understand what you’re saying, I personally was saying from my post was let’s think outside the box and create a great team with an awesome backstory that makes sense. Was trying to kick start the guardians development outside of just a list of characters, now that we know who we have.
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Post by BS Digital Q on May 9, 2012 11:10:06 GMT -5
That I agree with 100%
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Post by kerevon on May 9, 2012 11:28:39 GMT -5
Technology always leads to innovation and it's creation furthers itself rather than simply being ignorable. Our heroes can't all be one-off creations; if a technique creates one hero, we have to assume that either the same technique, an attempt to RECREATE that technique, or an attempt to improve said technique can result in more heroes/villains with similar powers and abilities (even if they're vastly different people). What's more, if we use "mutation as a way of gaining powers", I STRONGLY advise against giving said mutants abilities that are too dissimilar and/or give powers with no real-world (or previously established CAPES-verse) biological basis (such as Ice-Man or Cyclops). We CAN give them strange energy-based abilities, but we should at least attempt to give some semi-plausible explanations as to how that worked out. More important than biological sanity (these ARE superheroes after all) is the fact that 'mutants' or 'metas' or whatever we call them need to have fairly similar power-sets or a theme. Since our first 'mutant' hero has already been created as a 7-foot scaly lizard woman, any resulting mutants therefore ALSO have to be genetic chimeras of a sort (in the sense of being combined biological entities). No rock-mutants, unless the rock is really a type of bone or other biological protrusion. I know this is kinda out there, but what Icecap was trying to say (I think) is that while we can have diverse heroes and abilities, these abilities have to make sense within the established confines of the universe and should not be contradictory. See all that right there? I call complete and utter bullshit. If you guys seriously want to go there, I'm done with this. I WILL NOT abide by thinking like that. Sorry. Did not know you felt that way. I'll just shut up and get back to doing something else.
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Post by kerevon on May 9, 2012 11:32:29 GMT -5
Aye Digital. This whole thing is kinda your baby, so if you are vehemently opposed to those ideas we don't have to use them at all.
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Post by BS Digital Q on May 9, 2012 13:17:02 GMT -5
For my part, I apologize if my reaction hurt anyone.
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